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		<title>By: Vicky Baker</title>
		<link>http://www.goinglocaltravel.com/2009/09/28/going-independent-the-cafe-revolution/comment-page-1/#comment-201</link>
		<dc:creator>Vicky Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 18:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deal!</description>
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		<title>By: Matt Chesterton</title>
		<link>http://www.goinglocaltravel.com/2009/09/28/going-independent-the-cafe-revolution/comment-page-1/#comment-200</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Chesterton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, let&#039;s meet for a coffee at Gallego next week and continue this in person;-)

I agree with most of what you say, and you&#039;re very far from the kind of person I was referring to. What makes me distraught is that we get Starbucks and not Wagamama, Krispy Kremes or Paperchase. I want the *right* evil corporations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, let&#8217;s meet for a coffee at Gallego next week and continue this in person;-)</p>
<p>I agree with most of what you say, and you&#8217;re very far from the kind of person I was referring to. What makes me distraught is that we get Starbucks and not Wagamama, Krispy Kremes or Paperchase. I want the *right* evil corporations.</p>
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		<title>By: Vicky Baker</title>
		<link>http://www.goinglocaltravel.com/2009/09/28/going-independent-the-cafe-revolution/comment-page-1/#comment-199</link>
		<dc:creator>Vicky Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 20:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, the thing is it&#039;s not one or two Starbucks that&#039;s the problem. In isolation, they all add to an interesting mix of styles and cultures that you&#039;d want and expect to find in any modern capital. It&#039;s just the aggressive, stomping-over-the-competition expansion that I wouldn&#039;t want to see that repeated here. It seems from Starbucks financial reports that even they now realise they went too far in the UK.

Funnily enough, I was actually quite excited when Leicester got its first Starbucks in the early 2000s (I&#039;d just come back from a stint in the US so I knew about adding syrups to Americanos and I was sure this made me the coolest person in Leicester) and  couple of years ago I used to go to the one in Canary Wharf where I worked (after all, the area has no traceable personality so there was nothing to jeopardise). And who knows I might go into the one in here in Palermo once in a while, if I didn&#039;t think that success might lead to more ruthless expansion. Basically, I just don&#039;t want to see them everywhere I turn. Starbucks has given me the fear. And it&#039;s easy to see why. You hear these nasty rumours of them opening stores on every corner to deliberately try and run out the competition. I&#039;m not keen on that.

Gallego is indeed an extreme - that&#039;s why it&#039;s my favourite, because it stands above the rest. There are a lot of independently owned places in Palermo that are pretty formulaic. After all, being independent doesn&#039;t mean a place exempt from  feeling  samey or soulless. Chainstores aren&#039;t always bad either; I like that familiarity from time to time. I just want to see variety.

Starbucks does get demonised (it&#039;s cool to be anti Starbucks now, just like it used to be cool to know how to order a Vanilla Americano), but having seen how they - and other stores like them - operate, I can&#039;t help seeing them as a threat to variety on our streets and a threat to small-scale operations.

I like the variety I see here in BA; I don&#039;t like the clone towns I see in the UK. Simple as that.  All though I recognise it&#039;s only as simple as that in my simple world where I write about nice travel things.

Oh dear, look what you&#039;ve done, Matt. I&#039;ve gone off on one again! Seriously though, thanks for the thoughts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, the thing is it&#8217;s not one or two Starbucks that&#8217;s the problem. In isolation, they all add to an interesting mix of styles and cultures that you&#8217;d want and expect to find in any modern capital. It&#8217;s just the aggressive, stomping-over-the-competition expansion that I wouldn&#8217;t want to see that repeated here. It seems from Starbucks financial reports that even they now realise they went too far in the UK.</p>
<p>Funnily enough, I was actually quite excited when Leicester got its first Starbucks in the early 2000s (I&#8217;d just come back from a stint in the US so I knew about adding syrups to Americanos and I was sure this made me the coolest person in Leicester) and  couple of years ago I used to go to the one in Canary Wharf where I worked (after all, the area has no traceable personality so there was nothing to jeopardise). And who knows I might go into the one in here in Palermo once in a while, if I didn&#8217;t think that success might lead to more ruthless expansion. Basically, I just don&#8217;t want to see them everywhere I turn. Starbucks has given me the fear. And it&#8217;s easy to see why. You hear these nasty rumours of them opening stores on every corner to deliberately try and run out the competition. I&#8217;m not keen on that.</p>
<p>Gallego is indeed an extreme &#8211; that&#8217;s why it&#8217;s my favourite, because it stands above the rest. There are a lot of independently owned places in Palermo that are pretty formulaic. After all, being independent doesn&#8217;t mean a place exempt from  feeling  samey or soulless. Chainstores aren&#8217;t always bad either; I like that familiarity from time to time. I just want to see variety.</p>
<p>Starbucks does get demonised (it&#8217;s cool to be anti Starbucks now, just like it used to be cool to know how to order a Vanilla Americano), but having seen how they &#8211; and other stores like them &#8211; operate, I can&#8217;t help seeing them as a threat to variety on our streets and a threat to small-scale operations.</p>
<p>I like the variety I see here in BA; I don&#8217;t like the clone towns I see in the UK. Simple as that.  All though I recognise it&#8217;s only as simple as that in my simple world where I write about nice travel things.</p>
<p>Oh dear, look what you&#8217;ve done, Matt. I&#8217;ve gone off on one again! Seriously though, thanks for the thoughts!</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Chesterton</title>
		<link>http://www.goinglocaltravel.com/2009/09/28/going-independent-the-cafe-revolution/comment-page-1/#comment-198</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Chesterton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 19:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;... stunned looking minimum-wage droids with thousand yard stares.&quot;

Some people say the Observer has a snobbish tone. I can&#039;t think why.

I agree with you about Bar Gallego, Vicky. But you have to admit it&#039;s not representative. There are scores of independent cafés within a mile radius of my apartment, and none of them is on a par with Gallego.

At least you have things in perspective. I&#039;ve heard friends -- otherwise intelligent people -- say that Buenos Aires is &#039;over&#039; for them now that Starbucks has arrived. In other words their hand-made, artisanal, freewheeling, second-world paradise has been tainted by corporate culture. My (locally born) wife, a Starbucks fan, has a crude but effective answer to this: &quot;If you don&#039;t like it, [expletive deleted] GO HOME!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230; stunned looking minimum-wage droids with thousand yard stares.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some people say the Observer has a snobbish tone. I can&#8217;t think why.</p>
<p>I agree with you about Bar Gallego, Vicky. But you have to admit it&#8217;s not representative. There are scores of independent cafés within a mile radius of my apartment, and none of them is on a par with Gallego.</p>
<p>At least you have things in perspective. I&#8217;ve heard friends &#8212; otherwise intelligent people &#8212; say that Buenos Aires is &#8216;over&#8217; for them now that Starbucks has arrived. In other words their hand-made, artisanal, freewheeling, second-world paradise has been tainted by corporate culture. My (locally born) wife, a Starbucks fan, has a crude but effective answer to this: &#8220;If you don&#8217;t like it, [expletive deleted] GO HOME!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Vicky Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vicky Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It does seem drastic, but I think it&#039;s make or break time for them. They have to move with the times to survive. They announced huge losses in the UK this week: £47m. I&#039;m not sure how far they&#039;ll go with this &#039;new image&#039; move and what exactly they have planned. Will have to see.

Apparently the Bank of England has 115 branches within a three-mile radius. No wonder people in the UK are resenting it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It does seem drastic, but I think it&#8217;s make or break time for them. They have to move with the times to survive. They announced huge losses in the UK this week: £47m. I&#8217;m not sure how far they&#8217;ll go with this &#8216;new image&#8217; move and what exactly they have planned. Will have to see.</p>
<p>Apparently the Bank of England has 115 branches within a three-mile radius. No wonder people in the UK are resenting it.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 05:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read the other blog that was linked to the &quot;rebrand by debranding.&quot; It seems unwise that Starbucks will spend all of this money to debrand themselves. I mean, how much money have they spent into forming themselves as a brand? Isn&#039;t that the point of successful marketing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the other blog that was linked to the &#8220;rebrand by debranding.&#8221; It seems unwise that Starbucks will spend all of this money to debrand themselves. I mean, how much money have they spent into forming themselves as a brand? Isn&#8217;t that the point of successful marketing?</p>
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